In this episode of Strength Stories with Ryan Jore, Ryan welcomes back Landon Horst — a registered dietitian and personal trainer at Billings Clinic, where he runs the Weight SMART medical weight management program. Together, they dive into the difference between approach goals vs. avoidance goals and why focusing on positive, actionable habits creates better long-term results than living in restriction and fear.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

✅ How approach goals (like adding protein or steps) reduce stress and build confidence

✅ Why celebrating small wins fuels momentum, while avoidance goals keep you stuck

✅ The psychology of weight loss maintenance and why reframing matters

✅ Why steps and strength training often outperform “just doing more cardio”

✅ How consistent meal timing can train hunger cues and improve results

Why It Matters

Shifting your mindset toward adding instead of restricting doesn’t just improve physical health — it builds a healthier relationship with fitness, nutrition, and yourself.

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Ryan Jore 0:00
Today we have on Mr. Landon Horst. Landon, welcome to the podcast.

Landon Horst
Thank you for having me.

Ryan Jore
So since it’s been a while since you’ve been on podcasts, wanted to have you give a quick intro to the audience, let them know who you are.

Landon Horst 0:26
Well, thank you. Yeah. So I’m Landon. I’m a registered dietitian and a personal trainer. I work at Billings Clinic, and I run what’s called the weight SMART program that we do there. That’s our medical weight management program. Do a little bit of personal training there, but I used to be a trainer at Granite with Ryan, like, seven years ago. Now we go way back, always. Yeah, so I know

Ryan Jore 0:48
one of the things that you’d want to talk about today was goals. I wanted to look at as far as, like, positive goal setting versus negative goal setting. Or like we were talking earlier, like an approach setup versus a avoidance setup for goals. Could you give a little breakdown of what the difference is between those two?

Landon Horst 1:04
Yeah, yeah, that’s good place to start. So, you know, and I was telling you before the podcast, too, I feel like this can be as simple as, like, your approach versus avoidance, daily actions, but also like maybe overarching goals. And so just to give kind of a summary here. Approach goals would be something that you’re kind of trying to go towards or incorporate into your life. That’s a positive thing. So a good example, from a nutrition standpoint, might be, you know, rather than trying to cut out carbs, trying to include more protein, right, because it’s it’s kind of a positive thing, something that you’re seeking out, whereas an avoidance goal would be kind of the carbohydrate thing, right? Which is, you know, trying to avoid carbohydrates or limit something. And the research on this just shows that, you know, obviously better outcomes on the goals people tend to achieve them. But, but even more than that, there’s, you know, more stress, anxiety, things like that, even insecurity with the avoidance approach and more, like, kind of positive outcomes mentally and psychologically with approach goals, exactly. Well, even just thinking

Ryan Jore 2:09
on, like, a very basic level with an approach goal, it’s kind of easy to think like, Well, okay, I’m chasing more protein today. I’m trying to get that or I’m trying to get more vegetables or whatever, versus that avoidance goal, you’re never technically done until you’ve gone to sleep that night. You because you’re always like, Well, shit, I could still like, Well, shit, I could still screw this up. I could still have carbs or still smoke cigarette or whatever it is I’m trying to avoid. So it’s pretty easy to see why that would be a more stressful way to approach

Landon Horst 2:31
things. Yeah, you know, I hadn’t thought about that, but yeah, it’s maybe more of, like the constant, like, it’s fear based, really, you know? And yeah, I think you’re right. It’s like the jobs never done when it’s

Ryan Jore 2:42
almost like a if you think of it from like a reward perspective, every time, like, I have my protein or I get in my lift or something like that, I’m kind of getting little wins throughout the day and kind of getting a reminder of, like, Okay, I’m doing the right thing here, versus, you don’t get that with the avoidance goal. You’re just constantly afraid

Landon Horst 2:56
that you’re going to screw it up, right? Yeah, and it’s kind of hard to celebrate wins with the void and skull. Yeah, exactly. It’s like, you can really, there’s really only, like, something worth celebrating or being upset about when you blow it. You know, if you eat a carb in this example, you really only give yourself a chance to, like, be upset with yourself, rather than, like, building confidence. You know,

Ryan Jore 3:18
definitely it’s again, I think a lot of times when we’re on our own too, we do tend to navigate to navigate to more of a like a negative approach for a lot of things. Again, it’s we never, it’s kind of like how you, you never give yourself credit for your small wins, but you beat yourself up over small losses.

Landon Horst 3:31
Yeah, I don’t know if I’ve said this on the podcast before, but, and I guess with this being strength stories, I haven’t, but, you know, I’ve been telling people, if you’re going to beat yourself up for kind of blowing it or going off track, you have to bring the same energy when you do something positive and celebrate it. Because it’s true, someone would go to the gym like, you know, maybe they missed a week. They’d beat themselves up for weeks about it, right? But then there’s a week where they go three times and there’s like, no pat on the back, right? It’s kind of like, well, yeah, it’s just what I’m supposed to

Ryan Jore 4:00
be doing. And there’s, and I’m tremor, what this research does is, I feel like I always verbalize this poorly, but how, what is it, if you, like, say, if you’re trying to lose weight, if you gain a one pound, you need to lose two pounds to get, like, the equivalent positive energy of, like, that negative energy from gaining one pound, oh, like, the momentum. Yeah, exactly. Like, we just, we get really mad about losing things, and we get, don’t give ourselves that same congratulations for making positive

Landon Horst 4:22
steps. Yeah, yeah. I’ve heard that kind of same psychology, almost with money, right? Like, if you have it, it’s worse losing it than if you didn’t have it, but you didn’t get it or something, and so, so one of the main things that kind of had me thinking about approach goals and avoidance goals here is, well, I work in weight loss, obviously. And you know, a lot of times you hear that that weight loss is not the issue, it’s keeping the weight off, right? And I started thinking about it more that really, we’ve kind of framed that as an avoidance goal, that once you reach your goal, your goal weight, now your job is to avoid regaining the weight and. And and I think, you know, like you said, it’s this constant stressor of like, you’re living in fear for the rest of your life, basically, like that you might regain the weight. And I think what it what it leads to is, like pushing the boundaries you’re like, trying to get away with as much as you can without regaining the weight. And that’s what tends to spiral, right? And so the approach I’ve been taking with folks is, is trying to when they reach a goal weight. It’s not that we need to keep, like, trying to go for a lower weight, but what are, like, positive things we could work on that also achieve our goal of maybe, you know, not regaining the weight. And it’s probably like branching out a lot of times, you know, it’s like, yeah, you’re eating the right amount of calories, but maybe now we could work on including more vegetables or more fruits or more consistency with something. I

Ryan Jore 5:47
think he makes strong case too, that this is why people who have lost weight and then regained it struggle so much in restarting that because it is, it’s, it’s the fear of, like, the disappointment of reaching my goal and knowing that now I’ve got to try to keep it off this time, and that fear of, Am I just going to go back the same thing again, versus, if you’ve already regained the weight from for use, when you’re like, well, at least I’m just sitting here, you know, like it’s, yeah, it’s not as big of a

Landon Horst 6:07
deal, right? You don’t feel like you’re going to disappoint yourself. You’re not failing because you didn’t start a new thing. Yeah, that’s like a dodgeball quote, keep your goals low.

Speaker 1 6:17
Yeah, easy to meet. Always easy to eat. Meat feels fantastic.

Landon Horst 6:22
I was trying to think of kind of, you know, also some of the overarching goals like I talked about, right? So, so not even just with, like, weight regain, thinking about avoiding the weight. Sometimes it’s also about like, are you just trying to avoid the social stigma, or, you know, the the judgment from your friends things like that, rather than maintaining your weight because you’re trying to move towards a healthier lifestyle, or, you know, achieve something new, something like that.

Ryan Jore 6:50
Definitely, let’s it’s even kind of like, how with some people who do, like, say, an in body scan, and the weights kind of put their muscle masses up and their percentage body fats down, and they’re worried about was like, Well, you know, I’m supposed to weigh, you know, 127, or whatever. It’s like, okay, but if you look like, you weigh, you weigh that or less, who gives a shit? Like no one else sees that scale. But you right, but we’re still worried about something that literally only me and the client actually

Landon Horst 7:09
sees. And it also made me think, you know, when you’re discussing kind of the calorie burn, right, that focus on performance also takes away the focus on the calories exactly right, where a lot of people are going to the gym. For that reason, it’s like, well, I’ve got to burn 900 calories or whatever, and that, yeah, it never feels like you’re progressing if you just go to burn the same amount of calories every day, and you’re probably not getting those same kind of strength training benefits that you might and I also think this is another important reason that that you need to be progressing in the gym. You know, you see a lot of folks that like, well, we’ve talked about it for people that you see for like, five years at the gym, and they’re lifting the same weight, and it’s really good that they’re in their strength training, but you wonder, like, what’s keeping them motivated just lifting the same weight every day? And you know, even if, like, a very small, incremental increase can be something to keep you kind of engaged with your goals

Ryan Jore 8:03
and keeping yourself from becoming too efficient, like obviously, we want efficiency in a lot of things in life, but again, it’s kind of like the person who does the same 30 minutes on the elliptical every day at the same speed. At a certain point, you’re just burning less and less calories each time you do that. So which, again, is not always the whole goal of cardio, but if you’re using that as a way to burn more calories for fat loss. It’s just becoming less and less. So it’s like, you have to increase speed, or you have to increase, like, the time you’re going, or find some variable that you can increase. Otherwise you’re just, you’re just getting less and less out of it every time you do it from a calorie burn perspective, at least, right? Like, obviously, it’s good to be efficient cardiovascular as far as your overall health. But I don’t think most people that use it

Landon Horst 8:39
are using it for that way. I would agree with you, and sometimes even if they say they are, it’s actually, yeah, you know, kind of secretly for weight loss. Well, kind of

Ryan Jore 8:46
similar, like, I’ve noticed I get a lot of clients, which obviously I have more of a strength focus. So when people come to me, I think they generally know, like, that’s going to be our approach. But it is funny to me how often, like, we’ll fill out our initial intake, we go through and like, okay, my goal is, I want to be stronger. I want this, want that, and then, like, three weeks later, like, well, but I do still want to lose weight, and it’s like, so it has, like, they’re almost afraid to say that I do, oh, just again, yeah, I’m perfectly fine working with someone for weight loss, but you got to let me know that right away. It can’t be like, right? Don’t just pretend that you’re here for strength, when really you’re just hoping to secretly lose 10 pounds without me knowing, yeah, without having to

Landon Horst 9:17
talk about it, yeah, yeah. Well, right. And yeah, I think that we have kind of like scared ourselves off of weight loss so much, which makes sense with people’s, I think, kind of overall experience with it. But yeah, it’s also really hard to be successful with it unless you can pay attention to it a little bit. And I’ve seen this kind of with like people weighing themselves. I don’t know how that plays out with like your clientele. But you know, I get a wide range, of course, people that weigh themselves every day and people that won’t weigh themselves, you know, for any reason, essentially. And I think sometimes that’s kind of avoiding, you know, what you’re really working on, in a way. And it’s not to say that everyone has to weigh themselves every day. But again, if it’s like, if that is something you’re wanting to work on, it might be worth doing it, you know, and a lot of times it comes down to kind of adjusting your relationship with the scale. Maybe what I

Ryan Jore 10:09
think this is where, I mean, I don’t, can’t just blame America, because I think we see us in societies in general, there’s always these massive swings in the pendulum. And, yeah, like, we had this massive diet culture, and, you know, thin was in and everything was about being skinny, and nothing tastes better than being skinny, feels and all this shit. And then eventually became the stigma of like, well, now you can’t talk about diet at all, and we can’t talk about weight loss, and diet culture is toxic, and there’s a lot of bad things about diet culture, but it’s still okay to want to lose weight. You shouldn’t hate yourself for wanting to lose weight, but it’s still okay to lose weight, yeah, and I think we’re at this point now it’s like, okay, can we find kind of that middle ground of, like, don’t be super toxic. But also, if you feel like you need to lose 10 pounds, and you can love yourself regardless, like, that’s okay, yeah.

Landon Horst 10:48
And that is the goal, right? It’s like, not just to lose weight, but to do it in a way that that feels good and is going to feel good long term, so that you can maintain it, which really comes down to a lot of times, how you start it exactly, you know, like, what’s the mindset you’re going into it with? Yeah, exactly.

Ryan Jore 11:04
If you go into it with a brow beating approach, it’s highly unlikely you’re going to go into it and find this positive thing. It’s not, it’s not a movie, like, you’re not going to halfway through realize the inner beauty was in there all along. It’s and again, I really think the mindset matters more than anything. Like, I’ve had people before where they’re in that, like, I need to lose the weight. Now you could just feel this almost just toxic energy, just when they walked in the room. Because again, everything was about, how many calories can I burn in here? When really, of course, the approach should have been like, How can I do better with my nutrition outside of here, and then use this to support that goal, right? But instead it was like, Well, can I do burpees in between sets of classes? Like, no, that’s not what we fucking

Landon Horst 11:38
do here. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah. And it’s, it’s that kind of thought process that that, like doing more is going to make up for maybe other shortcomings. You know, it’s like, maybe not being able to be spot on with the diet, but you’re going to do burpees between your sets to like.

Ryan Jore 11:54
It comes back to the very beginning there. It’s an avoidance thing of like, because, again, they’ve never, they never hit their goal with an avoidance mindset. So it’s like, what if I screw up later? They maybe I better burn 10 extra calories and that’s somehow going to offset having buffet later. You know? It’s like, yeah, they’re worried about it because they already anticipating failing later on in the day. They’ve got to bank as much of this calories as they

Landon Horst 12:13
can, right? They’re like, padding their Yeah, yeah, their day a little bit. I’ve

Ryan Jore 12:17
never thought of like that, but really, again, I really like this approach of the avoidance mindset, of just how much you can see that pair back into other stuff they’re doing later on in the day.

Landon Horst 12:27
Yeah, yeah. And it really, I think just starting with approach goals also helps people develop a more positive mindset in general, and and catch themselves doing kind of an avoidance goal, even if it’s just like a mini one, like, you know, I need to avoid that. Whatever it is and

Ryan Jore 12:44
it is like, because, again, we everything goes into fear. Because what sells in the media is generally fear, and what you see sells is always these, yeah, fear based mindsets of like, oh, you know, less and less and less. Versus basically every single, every single nutrition thing either of us have taken has focused on, how can we add more? Like, you look at precision nutrition? They’re not telling people, do less of this. Do less of that instead. It’s, How can I fit in more protein? How can I fit in more veggies? How can I fit in more movement throughout the day? Yeah. And whether or not we say it’s an approach core avoidance goes like the the good nutrition places generally go there anyways, however it is, they

Landon Horst 13:16
phrase it, right? And, and the thing is, you, you kind of achieve the same thing in the end, right? Like, if you’re including more protein, vegetables, those sorts of things, oftentimes you’re eating fewer carbs, you know, kind of going back to our carb example, and so, yeah, it’s like the same outcome, but with a much more positive way of being about it. It’s kind

Ryan Jore 13:38
of like the thing of the used to say, like, you know, if you want to be an athlete, train like an athlete. Don’t, don’t, sorry, worry about necessarily worry about trying to cut down and all stuff. It’s like, but you focus on performance. A lot of times the esthetics come with it, right? It’s weird. Almost never do you train for esthetics and get performance out of it. But I find, for a lot of people, if they just, you know, again, don’t need it like an asshole. But if you just generally focus on performance, a lot

Landon Horst 13:58
of that look that you’re looking for comes with it. Yeah, yeah. Without the like, just extreme focus on the esthetic piece, yeah, yeah,

Ryan Jore 14:03
probably too, because you’re just more relaxed in general throughout that, like, yeah, you’re not as worried about things, because you’re focusing on positives.

Landon Horst 14:09
Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I’ve tried to even kind of apply this to people’s maybe relationship with exercise or food, because sometimes you have to say no to things, you know. And so, you know, I work with folks that have had, like, Metabolic Surgery, right? And so oftentimes they, like, literally cannot eat something because they’ll have, you know, terrible GI issues. But I always try to tell them, you know, if you have to say no to something, try to think about what’s you know, what are you actually choosing that is positive, right? It’s like, I’m not saying no to this to avoid gaining weight or avoid this gi issue. I’m saying no to this because I have these overarching goals that are much more important to me. And so really, I’m saying yes to those you know, not no to this. I’m saying no to the

Ryan Jore 14:55
methamphetamine because I don’t want to have to be like jacking people later to get money. It’s like. Right?

Landon Horst 15:02
So you flip it on exactly. So to finish

Ryan Jore 15:03
here, I wanted to kind of look at a couple of, like, overrated, underrated things as far as weight loss, and just kind of get a quick, you know, some quick little answers on those. Oh, let’s, would you say step count is overrated or underrated for weight loss?

Landon Horst 15:17
Absolutely underrated. You probably saw that coming from me. I talk about steps all the time, and I tell people this constantly, if weight loss is the goal, steps are the main driver from a movement standpoint, right? And your next priority should be strength training, because that’s how we maintain the muscle mass, and kind of the least priority is the like specific cardio, running, cycling. But the reason I like steps so much versus like cardio, for example, is that you tend to like, not tire yourself out with steps, right? And so by just walking more throughout the day, you Yeah, you Don’t tire yourself out. Whereas, if you did a really, really hard cardio workout in the morning, you might kind of like, sandbag it the rest of the day, and you really wouldn’t get as much out of it. From a calorie burn perspective, I feel a lot

Ryan Jore 16:07
of times too people who just focus on steps generally have better workouts and feel better in general, because they’re not doing one hard workout than sitting on a chair for 15 straight hours. Like, of course, you feel like shit the next day, like you haven’t moved. Basically, yeah, and it’s not like we’re burning a ton of calories that little movement, although I think research does tend to really show like the people who stay moving throughout the day just naturally stay leaner. But even if that’s not our main focus, since you’re moving more, you’re going to feel a little bit looser the next day. You don’t need to require these huge warm ups, or you don’t develop back pain from sitting for 10 straight hours and just just numerous benefits, right?

Landon Horst 16:37
And again, it’s kind of snowballing in a positive way, right? If you feel better, then you move a little bit more even, and it keeps kind of going in a positive direction, exactly. Plus, I feel like steps are just something that’s accessible to everybody, you know. So you don’t need any special equipment really, you know. And if, if you can’t walk, I guess that’s kind of the first priority is, yeah, getting the strength back to do that. But yeah, kind of always trying to keep those up.

Ryan Jore 17:03
How about exact meal times?

Landon Horst 17:06
Ooh, exact meal times for weight loss specifically, I actually do try to kind of encourage people to eat at similar times each day. And it’s not that the timing, like throughout the day is all that important. It’s it’s the consistency from day to day that I like. And a lot of what I talk about is kind of training your hunger in a way. Because, you know, a lot of times I have people working and they’re tracking their calories, but eventually we want to get away from that, and you have to be kind of familiar with your hunger and fullness cues. Well, if you eat at different times every day, your hunger hits at different times every day, it gets really chaotic. You’ll have days where you’re not hungry, days where you’re starving, whereas, if you know you eat at like, within an hour of the same time each day, you’ll find that your hunger starts to line up to that meal time.

Ryan Jore 17:54
Even before I was a trainer, I used to be like, I’d get up at 430 to go workout, and I had to eat right away. Like, I’m dying hungry. Being a trainer, you can’t really do it unless you’re gonna, again, get up stupid early to eat. So I kind of just train myself to be ready to eat at seven o’clock. And now my body’s like, I can get through my six o’clock class, like, towards the end of something like, oh yeah, now I’m getting kind of hungry. And it’s they said, it is a very trainable thing. It’s not always fun initially when you’re doing that training, yeah, but it takes a couple weeks, usually, if that really,

Landon Horst 18:20
yep, two weeks is what I say, yeah. And yeah, it’s, you know, a lot of people have kind of a defeatist mindset with this, or, like, No, I just, I’m not a breakfast person, you know. And it’s like, well, you could try, you know. And so maybe they’ll do it for a couple days and then give up because they’re like, no, just can’t eat. But you’re right, you got to stick with it a little while for your your hunger to kind of line up. And I found this with, like, switching to a different job, you know, it’s like, my lunch was at a different time now, so my snacks were kind of moved around. And so at first it was a little bit like, threw me off, you know, I’m like, Oh, I’m hungry now, and it’s not time to eat yet. But yeah, two weeks a month now, when lunchtime rolls around, it’s like, Yep, I’m hungry. It kind

Ryan Jore 18:59
of goes back to what we were talking earlier about, like, retaining muscle mass, where muscle mass, where there are so many things in life, where, like, a lot of work in the short term, like, makes it much easier in the long term. And it’s like, yes, initially, changing your eating schedule is going to be kind of tough, but if it makes it easier to stick to the plan for the rest of your life, essentially, like, isn’t a few weeks of, like, a little bit of an uncomfortability

Landon Horst 19:18
worth it? Yeah, I always like to compare it to starting a new job, you know, it’s like when you first start a new job, there’s so much to learn, and it’s a lot of effort upfront, but it seems like you do it for, you know, even six months, it starts to become kind of second nature. And I think, like nutrition, fitness, a lot of that stuff falls into the same boat, whereas if you can kind of get over that initial hump of all the effort it requires, and get to where some of it becomes kind of more second nature, autopilot. Yeah, you know that that all that just bodes well for you in the long term. A lot of

Ryan Jore 19:50
times, I’m even said one of the conference I was just at last week, they literally talked about that too, and they showed like, the people with less variants for meal times, like, had better weight loss. Again, it. Wouldn’t be that surprising, like, because they have a plan. It’s you were not, oh shit, I forgot to eat lunch. And then now we eat this crazy, big supper because we just spiraled, and we blow past our hunger signals type

Landon Horst 20:09
thing. Yeah, it’s not really anything like special about it. You know? It’s like intermittent fasting, right? It’s like, well, yeah, they just eat less because they don’t have as much time to eat a lot of times. And same with meal timing, it’s not like that. Having perfectly timed meals makes weight loss more optimal. It’s just that it helps you stick to it long term.

Ryan Jore 20:25
Thing of it this way is like, we train kindergarteners how to be hungry at certain times. Like, if a kindergartner can do it as an adult, you should probably be able to

Landon Horst 20:32
figure it out. Yeah, yeah. It’s just like, you know that sticking to it long enough to make it happen, really.

Ryan Jore 20:39
And then next one I was on is cardio for weight loss, overrated, underrated. Don’t worry, you can go there.

Landon Horst 20:44
I think, you know, overrated is probably where I’d have to stand on that, just because I do kind of think that, well, strength training should probably be more of a priority anyway. And then I’m big fan of steps, which I guess you could call cardio in a way, but we’re probably

Ryan Jore 20:59
not seeing the same adaptation. I mean, I think I’m thinking of two different things, but, yeah, I think it’s helpful. It can be helpful, and it’s good for your overall health, but it’s against, like, how are you using the

Landon Horst 21:09
tool? Yeah, you know. And kind of something that’s similar to this is also getting your heart rate up, which I, you know, you should definitely do for your heart health, but a lot of people feel that they’re not going to lose weight if their heart rate’s not up, and so they’re they don’t think that walking or steps are going to do anything for them, because they’re like, Yeah, but my heart rate didn’t get

Ryan Jore 21:30
up when I think we’ve talked about this before. And again, this is just kind of a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory, but a theory of mine. Okay, I really do think for a lot of people doing high intensity stuff, whether it’s like a finisher at the end of a workout or a Metcon, or whatever you want to call it. I don’t think that that helps for weight loss as much from what it actually does in terms of, like, cardio or calories burned, or anything like that. I think really what it does, it gets people’s heart rate up, it gets them sweating, and it makes them think, Oh, I’m I’m in a fat loss phase, yep. And then, like, naturally, they make better decisions throughout the day, and they might lose more weight, versus someone who’s Yes, say, focusing just on steps and they’re doing heavy strength training. Strength training, I think if their nutrition is the same, I think you can get the exact same results. But one of them doesn’t feel like weight loss, because we haven’t been told by, like, the media and movies like that, that’s what weight loss is. Yeah. So I think people just naturally make worse decisions throughout the day, and then they blame it on the fact, well, it’s because I didn’t, you know, do three rounds on the assault bike, as though three minutes of that was really the big difference, you

Landon Horst 22:22
know, right? Yeah, that’s true. It is. Kind of goes back to their mindset, you know. And I know I’ve told you this before, but I’ve had folks like, start with nutrition, and I kind of prescribe some treadmill walks and things, just because, yeah, it makes them feel like they’re working on it, you know, in a way. But really the aim is to just get more steps in. It’s

Ryan Jore 22:41
kind of no different than, like, with personal training, where sometimes I give an exercise that I don’t think is necessarily the world’s greatest exercise, but I know that it gives them buy in, and it just makes them work harder throughout the workout in general. So it’s like, if we put in two throw away sets of bicep curls, and that lets them, like, enjoy the workout and stay more consistent. It’s like, whatever it’s three minutes we can, you know, do that.

Landon Horst 22:59
Yeah, well, I know we’ve mentioned that before about, like, the recency bias with training, right? So finishing with something that kind of leaves the client feeling like it was really what they wanted.

Ryan Jore 23:09
Yeah, it’s like, was it you remember the last thing of the workout, and you remember, like, the high point of the workout, yeah, yeah, all right, has a name, huh? It does Okay. Gotta read your Heath brothers books, damn. Last one here, I feel like I’m just asking questions we’re gonna agree on, but exact carbon fat ratios for losing weight,

Landon Horst 23:27
okay, yeah, and it, you know, obviously I think it’s a little bit overrated, just because the focus I take is always, you know, more protein and kind of controlling the calories, which really, you know, I try to explain This to people, and I find it kind of difficult that if you do control your calorie intake, you kind of by definition, control your fat and carb intake, right? And so it’s just something that you don’t have to focus on, unless maybe you’re at like, a top tier performance level where it really matters, yeah. But again, I think this kind of plays back into what we were just we were just talking about, where sometimes, when people don’t have those they they feel like, you know, they just free ball it anyway, yeah, they just kind of go off the rails because they’re like, I need more rigidity or something, you know, yeah. And so I have even, like, put fat and carb goals in for someone in that situation. And

Ryan Jore 24:21
that’s what I found, too, is that I will sometimes give it to people if, like, same thing, if their consistency is off because they don’t feel it’s rich enough. Okay, whatever we can give you these specific numbers, but yeah, um, Alan Aragon, who’s, again, a God of nutrition stuff, he just had to post about that there is, like, every single study you see, as long as calories were accounted for and protein was accounted for, it didn’t matter. Yeah. So I always tell people, like, you know, as long as long as you get at least 20% of your calories from fat, which is generally considered good for as far as hormone health and whatnot, and you’re, you know, everything else stays reasonable. I’m like, I don’t care. Yeah, doesn’t matter. Again, if it matters for you, then fine. We’ll get a little more specific, but Right? It’s, it’s majoring in the minors for most people,

Landon Horst 24:55
yeah, that’s a good way to put it, yeah. And really, it’s like, you. Don’t have to focus on it that much to have a good carb fat balance. You know? It’s like, I don’t think anyone’s gonna eat a zero fat diet on accident, you know. So, yeah. And again, it is kind of giving you too many things to focus on when it’s unnecessary a lot of times.

Ryan Jore 25:17
No, exactly. Awesome. Well, Mr. Horse, thank you for coming on.

Landon Horst 25:21
Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, we’ll see at the next one. Okay, sounds good? You.

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